applause [bleep] >> well, forget the healthcare law. this might be an even bigger deal for you. the president and hillary clinton sitting down for their first joint interview. the president just -- he hasn't done a joint interview with anyone other than the first lady, a sign joe says might be a go -- no-go for 2016. i don't suspect he is happy about this. >> i don't think so. maybe joe biden will drive the two of them to the interview. i don't know. but, look, biden obviously would like to be president obama's successor. one assumes hillary clinton would like to be that successor, and so who gets that first joint interview outside the first family? hillary clinton. joe biden can't be pleased with that. >> the timing is very interesting, is it not? >> well, this is hillary hillary clinton's val disk. i assume this is president obama's way of saying hale and farewell' and thank you for a job well done. it brings up a bigger question. president obama, if both of these two candidates run, is going to have to make a choice. either have to endorse one or the other or stay above the f